Sometimes I like to simply take a wander through WordPress tags to see what is out there. Good for the intellect to see other people’s points of view, as I am sure most people would agree. Sadly, such ventures often lead you to blog entries which fly directly in the face of logic, evidence and rational thought. One such entry I stumbled on today was some Jasmine 71’s Weblog. Wondering what is so bad about the entry? Read on.
Atheism is defined by Webster’s New World Dictionary as, “1. the belief that there is no God, or denial that God or gods exist. 2. godlessness”. An atheist, therefore, is a person who believes that there is no God.
Starting off an entry (a common if rather cliché method when dealing with speeches and such things) with a dictionary definition. Probably not the best way but fair enough.
But what does the Bible say? The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. PSALMS XIV:I
And this is where we start down the rather murky road of circular logic. If you can not see what I mean, I shall try to explain. Obviously Jasmine71 is trying to establish that atheism is mistaken and that her particular deity does, in fact, exist. To do so she attempts to set the Christian Bible as some sort of source for authoritative statements. But, of course, the Christian Bible can only be correct if the Judeo-Christian deity exists and he can only exist if the Bible is correct … hence circular logic.
Atheism is a belief system that ardently denies the existence of God. God calls the atheist a FOOL. Many atheists spend much time and effort attempting to “disprove” that God exists.
The first sentence I have no argument against; there is simply no evidence for the existence of any sort of deity so you are left with the conclusion that the chances of one existing are effectively zero. Just like Leprechauns, Unicorns and so on.
According to Romans chapter 1 they know that He exists, but they want to control their own lives and not submit to the Lord.
That is a silly argument to say the least. Try applying the exact same argument to a different religion/belief/god;
Christians know that the Flying Spaghetti Monster/ Thor/ Zeus/ Optimus Prime exists but lie to themselves instead because they do not want to submit to him/it/them!
Starting to understand why it is a silly argument?
They are actually rather tragic figures just like any other unsaved individual. It is hard to live out their atheism–if they did, they’d actually be considered crazy like O’Hair was.
Again, try applying this reasoning to any other religious style belief you care to name. Example: It is such a tragedy that you do not follow the glorious path of Optimus Prime, who died for your sins, and that you are unsaved.
The atheist’s RELIGION (which is simply a system of beliefs based on a philosophy) of atheism is simply a way to try to block out and override the truth–the ol’ ostrich-head-in-the-sand technique:
Really? And what evidence are Atheists ignoring, precisely? The Bible? No, since it is not a reliable source of information and to rely on it (as previously noted) would be nothing more than an exercise in circular logic.
On the other hand, the ‘ostrich head’ routine could be truthfully attributed to people such as Creationists who routinely ignore independently verified evidence which does not match their particular world view.
And once again, your argument is shown to be silly if you apply it to any other religious belief (let’s stay with the Optimus Prime one, as I find it personally amusing); You keep denying the truth and wonder of Optimus Prime by sticking your head in the sand, sticking your fingers in your ears and going LALALALALALA!
Well, atheist reader, Somebody is there and His truth has stood from the beginning of time and will continue for all eternity.
Praise be to Optimus Prime! Or Odin! Or Mithras! Or Ra! Or Zeus! Or the Flying Spaghetti Monster!
God is not dependent on you in any way.
I would argue against that point given the depiction of said deity in the Old Testament. He obviously is dependent on one remote desert tribe to some extent given the way he chucked a temper tantrum any time they stepped out of line. If he was not dependent, he would not have cared in the least and gotten on with running the Universe. But he did not so he must have cared and thus been dependent.
I guess God needed his ego stroked a bit more by messing with the helpless mortals. Kind of like an ant farm, really.
Blasphemies, wars, famines, and political appointments come and go, but when the dust settles, there’s Jesus.
Really? He did not show his face, even given best depictions, for the first 14 billion years of the Universe’s existence. Then he hung about for around thirty years, took a three day nap and went home. And … oh, that is right … he has not been seen or heard from since.
And that is assuming he even existed in the first place as depicted in the New Testament … which is highly unlikely to say the least.
And there is nothing you can do about it but breathe out hot air. You will humble yourself before the Lord Jesus or you will be ground to powder.
And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder. –Jesus Christ
There you go again, trying to use the Bible as some sort of authority source. Circular logic, remember? It would be akin to some Viking trying to prove to you that Wotan made the world by reading to you old Norse stories.
Most atheists have what I call the Don Quixote Syndrome. Let me explain. Cervantes wrote a book about Don Quixote a long time ago. Don Quixote would attack windmills as if they were his enemies. Of course a windmill is nobody’s enemy. If what the atheist believes is REALLY his belief, then he would leave people like me alone.
Atheists normally do leave people alone, going by my experience. But when religious type people starting trying to impose their beliefs on said Atheists or (as in this case) address a blog entry directly to Atheists … that’s when you start getting replies. Some you may not particularly like.
In other words; Don’t go poking a wasp nest with a stick and then start crying that you happened to get stung.
After all, if God did not exist, He and His followers would be no enemy to the atheist. We’d just be deluded people. Therefore IF the atheist REALLY believes there is no God and the fool attacks a Christian, then he has the Don Quixote Syndrome because the Christian is not his enemy.
See above about right leaning Christians trying to impose their beliefs on the rest of western culture. It does not matter if you are deluded or not, Christianity has no right at all to attempt such a thing. Christians are more than welcome to their beliefs, I doubt anyone would argue against that. Problems only arise when those beliefs start being imposed on the rest of society. In short; if Christians knocked off trying to get creationism taught as science, stopping abortions, supporting blue laws, let homosexuals live a nice loving life and so on … they would not get any sort of trouble in return.
Nevertheless, God is real and THAT is why atheists have all these organizations and debates to “prove” that God does not exist. Atheist reader, if you would just be true to what you purport to believe, then you wouldn’t have the Don Quixote Syndrome.
This actually seems to be an indirect appeal to Pascal’s Wager. Which, as anyone who has ever looked at it would know, is a really bad argument and holds no weight.
My old pastor once ministered to an old atheist who had been a card-carrying atheist for decades–but as he laid on his death bed, he wanted a pastor. I don’t know if he got saved or not. When it’s time to die, many atheists are understandably uneasy and those that aren’t should be terrified.
And your point is? People are scared of things they do not know about, generally speaking. Death is one of those things we simply do not know that much about. On the other hand, there is no evidence at all for the existence of eternal life or reincarnation or anything else of that ilk.
As for me, I have no particular fear of death and why should I? There is nothing to say that it is dissimilar to simply going to sleep. Does that mean I won’t avoid death? No, of course not. Life is a grand thing and you only get one shot so make the most of it while you can and don’t miss out of opportunities.
There is hope for the atheist. He can be saved. In fact, there are plenty of atheists that have come to Jesus Christ.
Humans swap religions all the time. Plenty, for example, have gone from Christianity to Agnosticism or Atheism (in today’s society, I’d hazard to guess a lot more than have gone from those two to Christianity).
I refuse to argue with them, but will answer honest questions.
What was that you said earlier about ostrich’s putting their heads in the sand?
Unfortunately, many atheists ignorantly say hard things against the Lord Jesus Christ and His people. Don’t let fancy titles and big words shake your faith in the One who holds your eternal destiny.
I’ll assume I could translate to being: Ignore the smart people in their white coats and scientific terms and observations. Just keep on believing and … hold on, did I just see an Ostrich run by again?
Think about this: What does the atheist have to offer you? Eternal life? Spiritual comfort? Love? Kindness? Comfort in the midnight hour when no one is around? No, none of these.
Just because something is comforting, does not make it true. That is really kind of sad when you think about it but it can not be helped. Think about, for example, an elderly Alzheimer’s patient who honestly believes that her children will visit her that afternoon … not remembering they died four years earlier in a car crash.
Or, shifting to other religions, the brave Viking warrior who fights valiantly on in a suicidal fight knowing that when he dies he’ll be taken to the halls of Valhalla for eternity where he’ll be able to feast out infinity. He honestly believes it and it bring him comfort but it is almost certainly not true.
He has nothing to offer you but blasphemy, hell fire and the wrath of God.
Let us assume you are right for that moment. Wrath and Hell fire would therefore be solely the creations of god so he is the one offering them to you. Guess that makes him a bit of a bastard.
The atheist will tell you fabulous fairy tales like
you were spontaneously generated from a rock,
Atheism has nothing to say on the matter. Nor does Science actually have any substantiated or widely held theory which does other. But you seem to be having fun making strawmen so let’s continue…
a monkey is your daddy,
Again, Atheism has no stance on that matter. Neither does the Theory of Evolution state anything of the kind. I guess your knowledge of science is as weak as your knowledge of logic and common sense.
a fish is your cousin,
Again, Atheism has no stance on that matter. Science certainly does not say fish are a cousin to humanity. I respectfully recommend you go back and study elementary level biology.
you have no hope,
Who says that. I am an Atheist (I assume you have figured that one out by now) and I have great hope for humanity in general.
you should just live for today,
when you’re dead, you’re dead.
‘Today’ is too limited a term but you certainly should not waste your life but doing such pointless things as praying.
If you follow their ignorant advice and die without Christ, you WILL forever regret it and you will remember that someone told you the truth and you scoffed.
If you follow their ignorant advice and die without Optimus Prime, you WILL forever regret it and you will remember that someone told you the truth and you scoffed.
Yeah, it’s an old tactic now but that does not mean it is any less true.
Atheists try their hardest to argue a fact that is firmly established–God is real.
And how is that an established, independently verified and supported by evidence fact? Guess it isn’t.
You cannot look on His creation and its ways and honestly deny it.
That line only works if you make the unwarranted assumption that it is his creation to begin with as opposed to being the product of entirely natural process, which is what all the available evidence currently points directly at.
I won’t argue that 2+2=4 and I won’t argue that God exists.
There goes that Ostrich again … persistant little bugger.
And I would end this simply but putting the statement out … no wonder a lot of people do not take christianity seriously.
And Ostrich’s a really rather funny creatures when you think about it.