Waterpistol of Wrongness

Posted: February 15, 2009 in Australia, Comedy
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Recently I went to a local agricultural show and partook in a lucky dip draw, just for casual laughs. The resulting prize is showcased in the image below.

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It's... wrong!

I don’t know if it the placement of the trigger, the creepy smile or a mixture of both but that is just. plain. wrong.

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  1. Matt says:

    Ha! That’s both funny and disturbing at the same time!

  2. (((Billy))) says:

    I’m impressed. A pornographic parasauralophus. You could fill it with milk instead of water and make it really bad.

  3. ozatheist says:

    Ha Ha, that’s funny in a very wrong way.

  4. looseassociations says:

    What would you know about “wrong”? Morality is relative for fools like you, remember? Don’t tell me, did you receive a conviction from God that this is wrong?

  5. Matt says:

    Such a pleasant fellow, apparently claiming that morality comes from bible and god despite the evidence to the contrary.

    He also seems to be missing the point completely in regards to this post, I doubt many people would say that the design of the photographed water-pistol would be acceptable. Especially for the small children it is undoubtedly intended for.

    • looseassociations says:

      I’m just reminding you that you are not authorized to make statements about right and wrong, because you’re a fart blowing around in the wind.

      You do not stand on the Rock. Upon which standard will you presume to base your morality, and how will your atheist friends unanimously agree with you?

      Perhaps the atheists ought to write their own bible? But what a mess that would be! None of you can agree on anything, because you all serve different masters! Maybe the law of capitalism is the way to go!? Perhaps the “secular religion of environmentalism” is the one… Where shall you take a stand, and with what authority?

      Better make up your mind quick, because Shariah Law is spreading like a highly-evolved virus! (Sorry, I forgot… you haven’t noticed that because you’re so busy in your “war against Christianity”.)

  6. Matt says:

    I am as authorized as anyone else to make statements about what is right and what is wrong; unless you want to try to claim that atheists are somehow second class citizens? Or that christianity (or any other religion for that matter) somehow has a monopoly on morality?

    The rest of your comment seems to be baseless in nature and I think it does a better job of discrediting your opinion than any comment I could be bothered to make.

    • looseassociations says:

      I would certainly not say “second-class”… I probably have a more corrupt nature than you.

      There are two types of people: the elect (chosen by God, not on their own merit), and the non-elect (who will receive the wrath of God that they justly deserve, as do all men).

      This is why we are called to “work out our own salvation with fear and trembling.”

      I cannot judge your heart, but I can discern your current state of ignorance and blindness by the lack of wisdom in your words. You grasp, yet you cannot reach.

      Jesus came to heal the sinners, not the “righteous.” So, Matt, if you can pray that God shine the light into your heart and show you the wretch that you are, then perhaps you will feel your need.

      If you’d like, I can paste the 10 commandments here, and then explain how Jesus made each one more intensely difficult to obey. If you feel you’ve been there and done that, and your a “good” person, then there’s not much else I have to share with you. (I.e., the Good News.)

      True morality doesn’t exist unless God spoke it and defined it. Per evolution, how would morality be a survival skill for our species, as it simply leads to wars and murders, because everyone has a different “morality”?

      I don’t speak opinions, I speak the truth that I have received, that not of my own toiling, but by undeserved gifts received by my heavenly Father.

  7. Matt says:

    The vast part of your reply is meaningless and presupposes the existence of your chosen deity despite the pretty much complete lack of evidence for said case.

    The second last paragraph is the only one which contains any actual content of intellectual worth and even that is dubious. Regardless, I’ll reply to it;

    Per evolution, how would morality be a survival skill for our species, as it simply leads to wars and murders, because everyone has a different “morality”?

    You seem to have a horrible misunderstanding of the purpose of morality. Indeed, early human survival would have been impossible without it.

    Human beings, physically speaking, are not that great. No claws, great speed bursts or the like. But they did have two advantages;
    A) Better brains. Thus they managed to create and use tools and weapons. Reasoning powers also helped every single day.
    B) Social creatures. A sole human against, for example, a lion is pretty much doomed. But half a dozen or so against that same lion stands a much better chance.

    Social cohesion relies on everyone getting along together in their social grounds and that, in turn, relies on common moral ground. Hence why, even in the most primitive tribes/societies you see common moral foundations – from not killing each other, raping, stealing and so on.

    All these acts lead to social disintegration and thus death. The groups that did work together effectively (and that means not back stab each other) tended to live and their moral construct continued on. Over time it changed and evolved (things like slavery falling in and out of favour, for example) until we have what we have today.

    It is not exactly a complicated concept to comprehend.

    • looseassociations says:

      I didn’t choose Him. He chose me.

      Thanks for the science lesson… but I already got my degree there. Agreed… the evolution theory is not complicated to understand. It’s just false, that’s all.

      And thank you for the chit-chat, but I’ve gotta move on now!

  8. Matt says:

    Ah, yes. Just as a suspected … a final evasion.

    I didn’t choose Him. He chose me.

    You know, that brings up all sorts of moral quandaries for the apparent faithful. If god chooses who and who isn’t saved/chosen/blessed/whatever then he is then responsible for all those people he didn’t choose who are then relegated to supposed eternal torment.
    Wow. Guess god is a complete bastard.

    Thanks for the science lesson… but I already got my degree there.

    Somehow I find myself doubting that this degree exists and/or comes from any sort of reputable centre of learning.

    Agreed… the evolution theory is not complicated to understand. It’s just false, that’s all.

    A) I was not speaking about the Theory of Evolution.
    B) You have utterly failed to communicate in any way what so ever how or why the Theory of Evolution is false. Therefore your statement has zero intellectual merit or worth.

    And I’ll take your last line as some sort of evasion based concession.

    • looseassociations says:

      Ah yes. Just as I suspected… a devilish attempt to continue wasting my time. I know you truly love listening to Christians tho… but it’s kind of masochistic, isn’t it?

      Open blasphemy of God is not recommended. It’s my duty to warn you of that one. Did you know that even the demons tremble at the name of Christ, yet you, prideful man, curse God with your lips and feel no fear?

      Cannot the Creator do what He wishes with His creation? Cannot a farmer do what he pleases with his land? Cannot a potter form a vessel into whatever he pleases? Shall the vessel formed into dishonor (a bedpan?) complain to the potter, saying, “why have you formed me thus?”

      (P.S… I told you you hated God. You say you cannot hate something that you don’t believe in, but you jump at the opportunity to curse Him.)

      I confess… I count my intellect as loss. It’s pathetic compared to God Almighty, so I will trust in Him. You go on trusting your “intellect”! (Proud man!)

      Please don’t tempt me again… run along now…

  9. Matt says:

    First passage: Meaningless drivel.

    Second passage: Presupposes existence of chosen deity. Also, logically speaking, tries to establish men as being more powerful than demon (who probably don’t exist anyhow, so that’s alright I guess).

    Third passage: No, you can not do whatever you please with your own creations. Certainly, you have considerable power over said creations but that does not give you complete and utter open license upon them. Even scientists have ethics committees to ensure that things even as small as bacteria they cultivate in their labs are not treated inhumanely. Farmers who raise cattle are expected to treat them well since anything else would be horribly immoral. You need to try a lot harder.

    I still do not hate god, I noted that his behaviour (as you have established yourself) is that of a complete bastard. I stand by that call. Just like I stand by my opinion that the behaviour of Zeus (according to greek mythology) was a complete bastard in terms of his behaviour. Same with many other fictional entities that have been called upon throughout human history.
    Once again, you need to try a lot harder.

    As for trusting my intellect. Again, you seem to be trying to make assumptions which is only making yourself look somewhat silly. I never said I trust my intellect … but it does make a rather useful guide for this thing we happen to call life. As for people being called proud, according to your comments I have thus far read … you claim to know the hearts and minds of atheists, muslims and other non-christians better than they know themselves. You even claim to be able to see the future to some extent. Now that is what is labelled as arrogance.

    • looseassociations says:

      Which ethical committee does Almighty God report to? He is uncreate, infinite, and the great “I AM.” That puny human brains can even think about ethics (and judge God) was an ability placed there by God. Oxygen would not even be reaching our brains right now if it were not for God’s mercy upon us.

      If you don’t trust your intellect, then what do you trust dear Matt? Every culture across time and nation is different, and each has considered itself “correct”. Do you suppose we currently have the ultimate culture? If not, then it’s hardly worth trusting! It will all be tossed out as so much nonsense in about 100 years!

      Yet the Word of God endures forever.

      Perhaps this is your fascination with Christianity. Why is the Bible still the best-selling book, and why won’t the “legend” just die like all myths!

      Atheists always confuse trust in God with personal arrogance! Think hard about this one: if I deliberately and daily strive against my own will and my own plans, to trust in God, while you selfishly plan your life supposing that your brain is the most qualified guide in your life, WHICH one is arrogance?

      I will claim to have received all of the gifts that I have received from God; for if I do not confess this, I am lying. Similarly, if you denied that oxygen is filling your lungs right now, you would be lying. Would this be modesty and humility, or just plain lying?

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  11. AV says:

    I’m just reminding you that you are not authorized to make statements about right and wrong, because you’re a fart blowing around in the wind.

    Feel the Christian Love (TM)!

    • looseassociations says:

      I suppose those false “Christians” who taught you about “Christian Love” forgot to tell you about the wrath of the Holy God?

      If you can’t see your depravity, then I’ll be happy to assist you in that matter… it’s called “Tough Christian Love” ! 🙂

  12. AV says:

    Atheists always confuse trust in God with personal arrogance! Think hard about this one: if I deliberately and daily strive against my own will and my own plans, to trust in God, while you selfishly plan your life supposing that your brain is the most qualified guide in your life, WHICH one is arrogance?

    I will claim to have received all of the gifts that I have received from God; for if I do not confess this, I am lying.

    And many apologists confuse personal testimony and anecdote with evidence. I have no doubt that you believe the things you do, but your believing them does not make them so, nor does your believing in them constitute sufficient grounds for others to believe in them.

    Apologists are also prone to strawmanning their opponents, as you are doing when you accuse Matt of “hating” something he doesn’t believe exists. Sauron is a pretty contemptible character, and it is entirely possible to describe him so without believing that he is anything more than a character in a book. God/Yahweh is also a character in a book, and happens to be far more heinous and contemptible than Sauron—probably up there with Patrick Bateman from American Psycho in terms of sociopathy and bloodlust. Matt can describe this God-character as a bastard, and still believe he is nothing more than a character in a book.

    Strawmanning is dishonest—and is therefore a kind of lying. And lying makes Baby Jesus cry, even when you’re lying to the infidels you hatelove, and even when you’re lying for Jesus.

    • looseassociations says:

      Correct… many claim to be Christian, many claim to “feel within their heart of hearts” that they believe. But, “Not every one that saith unto [Him], ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.”

      Our changed lives, our obedience to God, our hatred of sin… these things are the evidence of our calling and election… We have evidence, and we are certain.

      There’s no such thing as “blind faith”… that’ the biggest oxymoron in the book.

      Guess what? It’s part of human stupidity to strawman and stereotype. You do the same thing with “Christians.” Some of you think we’re the same as Roman Catholics, and Matt was even trying to draw a major similarity with Islam… (same deity?).

      Many use/abuse the name “Christian” and the name of Christ. Heard of self-professed “carnal Christians”? I’d not quite appreciate being lumped with them.

      You know full well that God is not “just a character in a book…” You constantly expose yourself to the truth and heap coals of condemnation upon yourself. Pretending that you don’t believe His existence will be a pathetic defense on your day of judgment. I suggest looking for alternatives… (Inside advice: We know the only defense that will work. We can talk. Send me a private message.)

      You can accuse me of straw-manning… but the other possibility is that you are, indeed, just what I have described.

  13. AV says:

    If you can’t see your depravity, then I’ll be happy to assist you in that matter… it’s called “Tough Christian Love” !

    Tough Christian Love . . . is that how you kids are framing clerical sex abuse, or the refusal of medical treatment for one’s children in favour of Jesus-based healing (resulting in injury or death to the victim) these days? Or perhaps the centuries of Christian pogroms against the Jews in Europe?

    Or could it be all the stoning, rape and genocidal slaughter mandated by the Christian God in the Old Testament?

    Of course, when a Christian decides to redefine love as harming, maiming and killing for Christ, it’s best to take whatever protective measures are necessary if said Christian cannot be restrained like any other homocidal maniac.

    Incidentally, why should I or anyone else recognise your authority to deliberate on the so-called “depravity” of others?

    We have evidence, and we are certain.

    You have evidence? Really? Great! What is your evidence?

    You know full well that God is not “just a character in a book…”

    No, I don’t know that, because I don’t have any evidence that God is anything other than a character in a book. Open the Bible, and you’ll find among the many characters featured within a character called “Yahweh”—a pretty diabolical character—but the fact that “Yahweh” is a character in a book is plain for all to see.

    Pretending that you don’t believe His existence will be a pathetic defense on your day of judgment.

    I can play the strawmanning game, too. (Clears throat.)

    You know full well that you enjoy raping small children. Pretending that you don’t enjoy raping small children will be a pathetic defense on your day of judgment (in a courtroom).

    Do you see the point? If strawmanning is a legitimate manoeuvre, then we can make up any old shit about each other and expect it to stick. As it happens, I don’t believe that you enjoy raping small children, because I don’t have any evidence that you do.

    And you don’t have any evidence (or you haven’t presented any) that I believe in the existence of the particular deity that you happen to worship. Simply asserting that I do doesn’t make it so, nor will repeating the assertion ad infinitum.

    If you have to concoct your opponent’s position out of whole cloth, rather than dealing with your opponent’s actual position (which involves—gasp!—listening to your opponent), then not only are you acting in bad faith, you have already conceded the argument.

  14. looseassociations says:

    Please don’t call upon me to defend what other people do in the name of Christ. I’m not a Roman Catholic, nor a Chinese mis-interpreter.

    As for God, He can defend His own name… are you prepared to stand before Him and hurl these accusations?

    Many atheists are constantly asking for “evidence.” But guess what, it’s all around you, and even if stunning miracles were performed right in front of your face, you still wouldn’t believe.

    Just like the Pharisees… Jesus performed many miracles, yet all they could do is ask Him for another one.

    I have no defense for myself, and I fully confess my depravity. I will trust only in the blood of the Slain Lamb on my doorpost.

    Answer apostle Paul instead of answering me:

    Romans 1:18 But God shows his anger from heaven against all sinful, wicked people who suppress the truth by their wickedness. 19 They know the truth about God because he has made it obvious to them. 20 For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky. Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse for not knowing God.

    21 Yes, they knew God, but they wouldn’t worship him as God or even give him thanks. And they began to think up foolish ideas of what God was like. As a result, their minds became dark and confused. 22 Claiming to be wise, they instead became utter fools. 23 And instead of worshiping the glorious, ever-living God, they worshiped idols made to look like mere people and birds and animals and reptiles.

    24 So God abandoned them to do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other’s bodies. 25 They traded the truth about God for a lie. So they worshiped and served the things God created instead of the Creator himself, who is worthy of eternal praise! Amen. 26 That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. 27 And the men, instead of having normal sexual relations with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men, and as a result of this sin, they suffered within themselves the penalty they deserved.

    28 Since they thought it foolish to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their foolish thinking and let them do things that should never be done. 29 Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, quarreling, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. 30 They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They invent new ways of sinning, and they disobey their parents. 31 They refuse to understand, break their promises, are heartless, and have no mercy. 32 They know God’s justice requires that those who do these things deserve to die, yet they do them anyway. Worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too.

  15. Matt says:

    First part: Seems to be getting rather close to the True Scotsman fallacy.

    Your statement on evidence is extremely weak at best. A look at the word tells you that the world exists. A closer look at the make-up of said world reveals (thanks to fields of study such as geology) that it is approximately 4 billion years old. Everything about the formation of the world and everything on it is explained rather nicely by various scientific fields.

    Last (and largest) part: Relies on nothing but circular logic, since what Paul supposedly wrote there would only have even a small amount of merit only if god existed. Now since you’re trying to establish that god exists, despite no evidence for such a stance, your argument becomes analogous to a man trying to fly by picking himself up by his own shoelaces.

  16. looseassociations says:

    I’m not trying to establish that God exists. I confess that He exists.

    Contrary, you are trying to establish that He does not exist.

    The mission in my life? That God be glorified and magnified.

    What is your mission in life? (Is it something more than this eager effort to disprove the existence of a particular mythological being?)

  17. Matt says:

    Kindly learn of the concept which is conveniently called ‘The Burden of Proof’. You’re trying to make a positive claim; that god exists. The atheist POV is that there is simply no evidence for it, therefore the default position must be that he does not (as logic dictates).

    For example, if the burden of proof did not exist I could claim right now that Optimus Prime created the universe and he watches over us all. Now there is no evidence for that claim at all so the default position is that is it not true. Just like the stance that you are taking.

  18. looseassociations says:

    Ok, if we were having an official debate, perhaps the “buden of proof” would be on me. But truly, the best a Christian can do is share the Word of God and pray that God does a work in the heart. I cannot do a work in the heart. Noah believed, and this was the gift of God. Nobody convinced him in a debate. This is called “saving faith.” Abraham was “counted” as righteous for this same faith, and this faith lead him to obedience, which was evidence of his faith, and assurance for him that he was truly a child of God.

    Either you’re in the Book of Life, or you aren’t. I didn’t write that book, nor can I peer into it, so I cannot fully assess you. I can only obey God by sharing His inspired word with you and pray that a heart work comes your way.

    When we see people running straight for hell, if we have any love at all, we will tackle them to the ground. This may appear “unloving,” and the tackled person may even break their arm. But isn’t this more love than to simply tell the person that we “accept and love them” as they are, and that “God accepts them” (lie). These are fake friends, and this is fake love. True love hurts sometimes.

  19. AV says:

    As for God, He can defend His own name… are you prepared to stand before Him and hurl these accusations?

    It’s all right there in your bible. If (hypothetically speaking) your deity exists and is the same deity that is featured in your bible, then my “accusations” are not unfounded.

    Many atheists are constantly asking for “evidence.” But guess what, it’s all around you

    Really? Where?

    I have no defense for myself, and I fully confess my depravity.

    Taking a label upon yourself does not excuse you from applying the same label to others. That’s just like accusing someone of being a murderer, and then saying “But don’t worry—I’m a murderer too!”

    Answer apostle Paul instead of answering me

    Why?

    • looseassociations says:

      Dear AV,

      When God first created man and woman, they received His promise of immorality in the garden. Everything was perfect and there was no sadness in this paradise. God made one simple rule or law for them to obey. But Adam desired to be “like God,” and he rebelled against God.

      We all have in us this nature of rebellion against God, myself included. If we have hated our neighbor, then we are guilty of murder. This is what Jesus taught. Jesus is the Master Teacher.

      I brought apostle Paul into the picture, because the inspired scriptures he wrote are inconceivably more authoritative and powerful than anything I could possibly say.

      Regards.

  20. Matt says:

    So you’re saying that everything you believes boils down to ‘faith’?

    You are aware, I do hope, that faith (by it’s very definition) is blind? And also that the faith your have in your chosen deity is of no more worth than the faith human kind have had for the thousands of deities that have existed throughout history?

    You have yet to state, in any way coherent or not, why your chosen deity exists and not some other deity. Or that A deity exists at all.

    Until you provide said evidence or proof, your statements really are of little to no worth.

    • looseassociations says:

      “Blind” faith is a silly notion that some “Christians” believe in. If Jesus asked us to jump off a cliff and “hope” that He would catch us, well, that would just be foolishness!

      Here is love, that He loved me, not that I loved Him.

      Faith is the evidence of the things that are invisible. (The things that we cannot experience with our 5 senses.)

      Over and out! Take care, Matt.

  21. AV says:

    When God first created man and woman, they received His promise of immorality in the garden. Everything was perfect and there was no sadness in this paradise. God made one simple rule or law for them to obey. But Adam desired to be “like God,” and he rebelled against God.

    Fascinating story, but what evidence is there that the events described therein actually happened?

    We all have in us this nature of rebellion against God, myself included.

    Wrong. Someone who lacks belief in a deity, as Matt and I do, cannot possibly rebel against said deity—any more than you or I could “rebel” against Zeus or Thor. (I am assuming that you don’t believe that Zeus or Thor exist.)

    I brought apostle Paul into the picture, because the inspired scriptures he wrote are inconceivably more authoritative and powerful than anything I could possibly say.

    How do you know that, and why should we accept it?

  22. AV says:

    Faith is the evidence of the things that are invisible.

    In other words, faith is the excuse one gives for making shit up and then crying martyrdom when evil godless types demand reality-based evidence for said made-up shit.

  23. looseassociations says:

    What is your motive in asking all these questions? Are you capable of looking into your own heart, or are you only capable of attempting to put me to the test?

  24. AV says:

    What is your motive in asking all these questions?

    I enjoy torturing smug and arrogant Christian apologists.

    Most Christians I have no problem with. Fundies and whackos I consider fair game.

    No offence.

  25. AV says:

    Seriously, though, I ask all these questions because the nature of the claims you are making is such that it is not possible—on a rational level—to accept them without question. So I want to know why you believe them, and why I should believe them.

    • looseassociations says:

      There’s no such thing as a true Christian who isn’t fundamentalist. It’s not just something we tack onto our life, it’s our Life.

      I do not claim that you “should” believe these things. It’s quite possible that you never will. The darkness does not comprehend the light.

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