Optimus Prime vs. Jesus Christ

Posted: February 16, 2008 in Animation, Comedy, Religion, Television
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optimusjesus.jpgTime for a bit of more light-hearted fun.  This time comparing the acts, history and philosophy of Autobot leader Optimus Prime against those of religious icon Jesus Christ.  Each character will be marked in a series of categories, with recorded feats being submitted as evidence.  Some may be offended at the comparison … but, really, tough. If you can’t laugh at yourself from time to time then something is truly wrong.

ORIGINS:

optimus-prime.jpgOptimus Prime

Formed current incarnation when handed the Matrix by Sentinel Prime some nine million years ago. Went on to lead the Autobots against Decepticon aggression, soon becoming the greatest known Autobot leader.

Jesus Christ

Rumoured to have always been in his current form from beginning of creation but not heard from for several billion years.  Appeared for approximately 35 years before being executed as a criminal.  Not heard or seen from by independently verified source since.

COMPONENTS OF CHARACTER:

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Main unit: Optimus Prime (robot).  Secondary: Trailer Module/Missile station.  Tertiary: Roller.

Jesus Christ

Main unit: Yahweh/Father. Secondary: Jesus/Son. Tertiary: Holy Ghost.

DEATHS AND RESURRECTIONS:

um002.jpgOptimus Prime

Has died numerous times, most famously in Transformers: The Movie (1986).  Other deaths include two instances in Transformers comic books (1st series, Marvel US edition) and in the Headmasters Japanese animated series.  Deaths have always been a result of Optimus Prime protecting life or defeating overwhelming odds. Has always returned from death, conquering it numerous times.

Jesus Christ

Has perished once after being executed once as a criminal (crucifixion as method of execution). Died to forgive humanity of sin but no tangible evil force defeated as such.  Apparently awakened three days later and shortly left the mortal realm permanently.

MIRACLES AND ACTS OF NOTE:

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Saved Earth, Cybertron and even the known Universe numerous times from threats from both Decepticon plans and murderous demi-gods.  Defeated Unicron, sacrificing himself (temporarily, as per usual) in the process.  Has been seen to transform his hand into energy ax, fly, and make his trailer module disappear seemingly into nothing.  Routinely changes his entire form into that of a truck (other forms seen include a firetruck, sports car, and battle station among others.).  Transformed the wounded Autobot Hot Rod into Rodimus Prime.  These acts are well recorded in various popular media.

Jesus Christ

After resurrection was apparently in new body but this is not independently verified. Turned one liquid into another form of  liquid (water into wine), walked on water, produced food from nowhere and healed the sick. Miracles not verified.

KNOWN ASSOCIATES:

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Primus, god and creator of Transformers. Several hundred known giant transforming robots.  Befriended by human governments world-wide, forging a strong alliance between all peoples.

Jesus Christ

Twelve men known as disciples.

USUAL M.O:

prime2.jpgOptimus Prime

Leading forth Autobot warriors and blowing large chunks out of evil doers and villains with considerable firepower, while protecting the innocent and upholding their freedoms.

Jesus Christ

A lot of walking around and talking. No actual battles against evil recorded.

SUCCESS RATE:

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Defeated archenemy, killing Megatron and his later (and more powerful) incarnation known as Galvatron. Still regarded as greatest known Autobot, actions heralded in times of peace and prosperity for Humans and Autobots alike.

Jesus Christ

Reported archenemy still at large and in control of his domain. Little to no long term peace for humans (or Autobots).

UNDERLYING PHILOSOPHY:

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“Freedom is the right of all sentient beings.”

Jesus Christ

“There is no salvation except through me.”

REFERENCES:

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Movies (1986 & 2007), Novels, Comic Books (numerous series from Marvel, Dreamwave and IDW), Animated series (US and Japan).

Jesus Christ

The Bible.

Please also refer to The Commandments of Optimus Prime.

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Comments
  1. ShadowMaster says:

    After all that, I would follow Optimus Prime.

  2. Cute. Really. Made me smile.

    One quibble: I would suggest that “underlying philosophy” for JC might be changed to “Do unto others as you would have others do unto you.” I mean, give the poor guy a LITTLE credit. 😉

    -smith

  3. baddogmooney says:

    My number one complaint against them both: why come to earth in such a simple form?

  4. Lew Moxon's Ghost says:

    Doesn’t this kind of hurt your “atheists are nice people” theme? I mean if you already know some will find it offensive, your rationale is that it is important to laugh, and you post it anyway, then I guess I still can understand the need to vent. One side of things seems pretty inaccurate to its nature.. something that is objectively descriptive, equally, for both sides, might actually have been compelling stuff… but this is just painting an easy target and forgoing conclusions in the hopes that no one cares enough to object, and all for a cheap laugh. I suppose someone has to be the butt of jokes…but it does seem awfully cheap. I guess for an exercise it is okay, but not really funny, just inaccurate and offensive.

    • OPTIMUS FOLLOWER says:

      OPTIMUS PRIME IS GOD …DEAL WITH IT

    • Adrianne says:

      No, actually it doesn’t.

      It only seems cheap because you are indoctrined into believing the christian bullshit. Maybe if you had a backbone, you could see how pitiful it is that people would be more rational to worship Optimus Prime, a (as we know it) fictional character – but could be possible as robots exist. There is no proof or current semi-existence of “god”.

      . If I was thrown upon a plain, where I had to choose between Jesus or Optimus, I would run screaming toward Optimus like a three year old to an ice cream truck. I don’t even like transformers and this shit is GOLD.

  5. Matt says:

    It’s a comedy piece and nothing listed is false.

  6. davidtjordan says:

    Hmm…

  7. SG says:

    Haha, who gets offended by factual information? Technically all he did was list stuff about optimus and stuff about Jesus, get over it.

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  9. Matt says:

    … does anyone have any idea what that is all about? I’m not even sure what language that is.

  10. It looks like a religious forum of some kind.

    The language is Italian. I tried running it through babelfish, but as usual, the translation is almost as incomprehensible as the original.

  11. RIley says:

    Apparently Optimus Prime kicks Jesus’s asses.

  12. Jon says:

    Okay, I get it. It’s supposed to be comedy. But if you’re going to pit Jesus against a made up figure then you’d have to use the words “apparently”, “supposedly”, and “not verified” for both. It seems that you’re aguing mostly for the disbelief in Jesus and a little for the belief in a real optimus.

    • Adrianne says:

      No, you don’t. Because you cannot prove that Jesus exists, just as you cannot prove that Optimus does.

      It only seems that way because you are on the loosing team. They are both fairly accurate. It just stings to see how a fictional character completely massacres the fictional character you happen to worship.

  13. Kaga says:

    Optimus, I will follow you to the end. And for jon i’d like to say that i found all the facts given fair, optimus is more real to me than jesus. Far more respectable.
    And to Lew Moxon’s Ghost i’d like to say: Lighten up for Primes sake, you take this way to serious!

    Live long and prosper.

  14. shifty kow says:

    Kinda funny, I gotta agree that NEITHER of them is real. After all, when is the last time anyone saw a talking transforming car/robot. For that matter when was the last time anyone saw JC? they are both a funny fiction IMHO.

    i enjoyed the comparisons

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  17. Anon says:

    Optimus Prime died for your sins

    • Owen Russell says:

      and after Optimus died for your sins he came back to protect you from any harm. 🙂

  18. Martijn says:

    Since there seems to be a question on the reality of jesus in history I would like you to read this matter:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus

    After that painting Jesus as just a “myth” is just wishful thinking. Even so please do, if you feel that you are your own supreme reasoning compels to find it easier to live with, not bother to search on.

    For some who do want to know…. If he existed, and if that was written down, why would the writers want to lie? If this was just a good plot of a book, would it be believable?
    It is almost like trying to reason away Chernobyl…

    There is just the fact that it is there, it has been written down, and for us to read. And if you are willing to at least see what this guy had to say, because not giving this an honest chance to read for yourself is making a good accusation in this blog unrealistic and just plain sad.

    Is it not a bit strange that a “dead?” guy can have so much impact on humanity?

    Linking Optimus and Jesus was a funny idea, but your own prejudice made this the real joke of the year.

    roll out!

  19. Matt says:

    I have read that page before (though wiki pages are not considered reliable sources of information, at least not yet). I have looked at the available evidence (including reading that terrible book by Strobel).

    Few people I know would say that chances that Jesus existed as a person and walked about and talked a lot are reasonable to pretty good. Regardless, that is not the important part.

    The important part is the evidence that he was divine in nature and performed miracles which proved said nature. For those, there is simply no evidence or proof.

    I must also note that your sentence structure and grammar made your comment … interesting to read.

  20. Martijn says:

    well, let me excuse me for my sometimes abstract writing. It can be a bit confusing at times… I’ll do my best to be more clear.
    Thx for the response.

    You are right about proving all the supernatural performances, I wasn’t there and neither were you, we can’t go back in time…
    Still it was a rather local event when it happened. Does that make it unreliable? Well if you are looking for that kind of evidence I think it is a dead end. That is faith, believing it could be true. It is a stretch that boggles the mind. But I don’t think that we should be just saying “well you just have to believe”. I think it is good to be critical on these things, and test them if you can, but do it with an open mind and respect.

    So, Jesus most likely was alive on earth. So that backs up the eyewitness gospels of the four disciples. Also a note to add on this. When is something reliable and how far does this have to go?
    If all four disciples were just lairs would that not have infected the message greatly? The whole matter of Jesus who he was what he did and what he said makes the story believable. First for his disciples and other companions and later for the underground church, and later for many more. So what makes it for people so special? What is the X-factor of this person?

    What he did, and then I’m not talking about the Crucifixion (although it would be a perfect timing), makes him the most generous, confronting, gentle, compassionate and loving person of all times. And still the people did not want him. Why? Was he unreasonable? Did he do criminal stuff, not as far as we know. Was he a liar? was he a loony? If so, would that infect the story? Any accusation like that would be unbelievable since it would go against every fiber of the integrity of His being. Jesus way of communication seems to make him a very sharp and intellectual mind. Not to forget he had an offical rabinic education. You don’t get to that when you are not good enough (compare it to a sort of religious university education). So he had training in the hebrew faith. He is smart to say the least.

    So what did his message bring us? A longing for equality and peace, human rights, prosperity, justice system, and relative freedom. If you compare it with the world 200 yrs ago I think we are doing better. Just ask yourself would you like to live 100 yrs ago? not even a descent hygiene to begin with. 🙂

    Now i don’t think that all Christians are Perfect and good. Ego is still most of the time in control. And that’s what messes things up big time. Adn makes religion really yuk.
    But try to focus on the person he was without all the church stuff.

    I hope that this helps to contemplate and re-value the person Jesus was, and still is for many.

    greetings,
    Martijn

  21. Martijn says:

    Did I say that I still like Optimus Prime? well, I still do…
    I just don’t think that violence is the answer.

  22. Matt says:

    That is faith, believing it could be true.

    Faith, by definition, is blind and can be applied to any belief you care to think of. As such, faith is utterly worthless when it comes to proving anything at all.

    He is smart to say the least.

    Charismatic would be the best way to phrase it. But that, as well, proves and indicates nothing. There have been plenty of charismatic people, even in recent history, who have been completely deluded, dangerous bastards.

    So what did his message bring us? A longing for equality and peace, human rights, prosperity, justice system, and relative freedom.

    There is no evidence to support this statement.

    • martijn says:

      “Faith, by definition, is blind and can be applied to any belief you care to think of. As such, faith is utterly worthless when it comes to proving anything at all.”

      If that is what you believe than that is fine with me. I will not state to prove it all. The only thing you fix your attitude on is the natural laws of science. Which is good to acnowledge, but just a cold state of being.
      In the end you have no hope, no reason to live on except to just stay alive as long as you can, which means for the person next to you, absolutly nothing. If ego is the dominian, the cruelty of life becomes reality.
      Fact: we can be cruel.
      Option: we can choose not to be cruel. We can choose to love.

      Love it is not something you can weild, measure or make predicable. which makes your statement in logical reasoning pretty clear… but shallow.
      Having faith in God has always been called foolish. you are not the first and not the last. But the evelasting power of a loving God can overcome. Whether you believe this or not, that is up to the one who takes this as a possibility. Logic and reason will not bring you there. It can only be the traces that might point in that direction.

      “Charismatic would be the best way to phrase it. But that, as well, proves and indicates nothing. There have been plenty of charismatic people, even in recent history, who have been completely deluded, dangerous bastards.”

      But did they teach love your nighbour? Did they go down to the scum of the town, just to show them care and love. There are not many who can walk in those footsteps. I think in our timespan Mother theresa and Martin Luther king came close, maybe even Ghandi. Because they believed this world could be better, they believed in it. Why because they were inspired by something beyond them. Something that made them feel more human than just a random picked number on this globe. Faith carried them, that is the reality. Now you might wanna call that a fools errand, but that’s what I said, call it foolish… That’s evidence. not measurable, but it made a difference even if you don’t see it or measure it. Maybe it is not to your expectations and it will not quence the thirst for answers, but I don’t have them all, and neither do you. Nor will you have them all.
      You can say I don’t buy it, that is up to your own mind to decide. I do hope that you see that many seek for more than just plain logic matter. A longing that cannot be quenched by sheer facts. You can use your facts to reason, and maybe you score a point, but it won’t get you any closer to have an open mind. And in the end of your life you have your “gnosis” going to… nothing?

      My answer: Love humbly, because it is foolish.

      oh btw: He is alive! but I guess you want to see evidence for that as well. 😉

      • Matt says:

        but just a cold state of being.
        In the end you have no hope, no reason to live on except to just stay alive as long as you can, which means for the person next to you, absolutly nothing. If ego is the dominian, the cruelty of life becomes reality.

        A hopeless misunderstanding of what it means to be an atheist. Also completely ignores the fact that it does not matter in the least if something makes you feel better – it has no impact on whether or not something is true.

        Fact: we can be cruel.
        Option: we can choose not to be cruel. We can choose to love.

        I have no idea why you have stated this. Religion plays no part in this at all.

        Faith carried them, that is the reality.

        I would disagree completely with that statement. You are trying to attribute acts of good will with religion which is a bogus argument to say the least. Acts of good will and charity have been performed before religion became organised/dogmatic and by those people who have absolutely no religion in their lives.
        Good acts do not require or rely on religion.

        He is alive!

        Who? Elvis?

  23. martijn says:

    “I would disagree completely with that statement. You are trying to attribute acts of good will with religion which is a bogus argument to say the least. Acts of good will and charity have been performed before religion became organised/dogmatic and by those people who have absolutely no religion in their lives.”

    Who said that faith in God (or higher power) needed to be religion? Religion is just a system, made by man, just like politics. Good will is an act of your inner being, the need to do good or bad is made in your own mind and body. Religion has no part in that other than that people come together and share their faith in God. You are confusing religion with faith. they are not the same.
    God created man, not religion. So man will always try to seek goodness wether you experience that in religion or not. And I think you cannot phantom the total amount of people that do good for whatever organization. God does not work in boundaries made by man.

  24. martijn says:

    “A hopeless misunderstanding of what it means to be an atheist. Also completely ignores the fact that it does not matter in the least if something makes you feel better – it has no impact on whether or not something is true.”

    can you eloborate on this, I do not really understand your line of thought here…

  25. Matt says:

    It’s pretty straight forward: Just because something makes you feel better, does not mean that it is true. Since it is not true, you should probably not base your life on it.

  26. martijn says:

    So just because you see things your way means it is not true. Look, I can image why people leave religion, we can all list them, but in the end it all comes down on how believable is your story. Let me be straightforward. I think that there are so many things that tell how the world evolved and grew in a natural way, but the mere fact that we are sitting here typing is telling me much more about the creativity of and author/designer/creator. Than just the random colision of atoms.
    So yes, that makes me feel good. In fact it makes me feel that I am cherished, loved, wanted. I am willing to give it a shot because I see a way to make this a better world.
    In the end you come with your account of “facts” and theories.Some which I totally agree with, some of which are farfetched, and some stacked subjective conclusions that are just a matter of opinion.
    What drives me in my faith is the hope, love and future and hopefully in time: equality, peace, fellowship around the globe.
    All these a far greater goods than Atheism/humanism can ever bring.

  27. Matt says:

    but the mere fact that we are sitting here typing is telling me much more about the creativity of and author/designer/creator.

    Completely unnecessary mechanism, which is an intellectually false concept. It is also a variant on the argument from incredulity which is a debate fallacy.

    What drives me in my faith is the hope, love and future and hopefully in time: equality, peace, fellowship around the globe. All these a far greater goods than Atheism/humanism can ever bring.

    You demonstrate your lack of understanding of atheism. There is no reason that an atheist can not believe in equality, hope, peace and so forth.

  28. Martijn says:

    “Completely unnecessary mechanism, which is an intellectually false concept. It is also a variant on the argument from incredulity which is a debate fallacy.”

    false concept? But off course in your world view everything makes sense in truth and logic. Still no real answer though.
    It makes all the difference to me.

    You demonstrate your lack of understanding of atheism. There is no reason that an atheist can not believe in equality, hope, peace and so forth.

    And you share the lack of explaining that to me.
    Until now, the only thing you have done is trying to make your “logical” opinion sound right. But everything is relative in your postmodern mind, even your own conclusions.

    Do you have anything real to offer, or is this all you’ve got…

  29. Matt says:

    I’m actually waiting for any sort of argument of substance from you. All you have offered thus far is somewhat bizarre opinions of atheism, which is simply not an argument of any sort.

  30. martijn says:

    And I have asked you several times to enlighten me on your view of proper atheism.
    It seems to me that you have no real idea of what living in faith really is. As long as you cant really measure it, it is bogus to you.
    Since you are in the need of a good subject:
    What about instantanious healing in faith?
    please explain.

  31. Matt says:

    What about instantanious healing in faith?

    Unaware of any independently verified cases which can not be explained by normal medicine. And I suggest this discussion will be short lived, almost certainly as soon as the topic of amputees raises its head.

    As for not understanding faith. Right. Stop making assumptions.

  32. Martijn says:

    “As for not understanding faith. Right. Stop making assumptions.”

    No, I do think that you think you know what religion is and especially when it comes to the fundamental evangelical movement in the US. It seems that your atheist friends already made a good deal of promo material to validate their point. Interesting websites. I like the open mindedness and argumentation stuff. The vid’s are even triggering something to think about, but the whole narcissistic mindset just has no respect for at least thousands of years of monotheism and the value it has. Even atheism has it’s roots from that. Being right doesn’t always mean that you are.

    If religion is open minded, it can lead to prosperity of a next era because it origin has riches that you seem to overlook/disregard or spit at. The only thing I’ve read/seen so far on the websites are about some interpretations of juridical theology. but you forget that there are many things like healthcare, aid and human righst have originated from faith, from people who do know what it means to be Christian/muslim/other (yes, God does cross borders of our own cultural religious limitations). Doing good deeds is universal, they are the talents we are given. Faith is not about being right or being the judge or about feeling better, it is about love and relation. If people only want to be right, they will eventually feel and act superior. They become a judge to control and rule over others. I do my best not to be even thinking that way, but i guess that’s something we’ve all got to deal with. Believer or not.

    So, until now I guess you just let me target you and you are so laid back… just like those vids. Obi wan has thought you well. It’s like speaking to a wall, no open conversation. just mathematic cold argumentation.

    You know, I saw the discovery commercial. I love it. It makes me more confident that we are as a humanity on the right track. God’s track because this is what His essence is all about. He started it. Taking care and love this world.
    Hey Matt, why don’t you start a positivity blog instead of picking on people’s integrity? IF you want to make a change in this world…

    • Owen Russell says:

      More wars have been caused in the name of religion, Christianity especially, than in the name of Megatron.

  33. Matt says:

    If religion is open minded, it can lead to prosperity of a next era because it origin has riches that you seem to overlook/disregard or spit at.

    I have yet to see one example of an open minded evangelical movement in the United States. Every example I have seen thus far have tended to be rather right wing in ideology with a distinct hatred for certain demographic groups – all while trying to impose their own views on everyone else via political movements (ranging from school boards to the white house)

    but you forget that there are many things like healthcare, aid and human righst have originated from faith

    I would say those things came from basic human intelligence than faith. Stop trying to attribute those breakthroughs to human belief when there is no evidence for doing such.

    Unless, of course, you’d like me to turn it about with a nice historical example. Some of the greatest breakthroughs in mathematics and science came from the ancient greeks; that in no way validates the existence of their particular pantheon or deities of any sort.

  34. Martijn says:

    “I would say those things came from basic human intelligence than faith. Stop trying to attribute those breakthroughs to human belief when there is no evidence for doing such.”

    Well, you think you have to prove everything. Yes it are human conditions when people decide to help, and yes you cannot prove that, but neither can you deny that people are inspired to do good in the faith they have in God. Wheter that is “fake” or not.
    The intention an the heart are what matters, and that says everything about the people and indirectly about the One who created them. You can say like you repeatedly do, you have no proof, well, than you are just out of luck. The whole mystery is ours to keep then.
    You stand in your right to think so, and that has been you attitude all the time, but it’s just that “icecold” logic that won’t “buy” me anything. There is no compassion, there is no integrity, no real love. Just the subjective science and conviction of someone who does “gnosis”.
    It is interesting to see that you don’t even consider to reply on some questions I gave you. I guess that says something about character.

    Best of luck, for what it’s worth.

  35. Matt says:

    The intention an the heart are what matters, and that says everything about the people and indirectly about the One who created them.

    Logical fallacy. Presupposes that people were created by outside intelligence when trying to attribute characteristics to said outside intelligence. Extra fallacious when it is considered that there is no evidence for design in the human body.

    It is interesting to see that you don’t even consider to reply on some questions I gave you. I guess that says something about character.

    I would put forth it says a lot more about the quality of the questions posed.

  36. Martijn says:

    “…Extra fallacious when it is considered that there is no evidence for design in the human body.”

    there is no evidence for no design either. If there is a God, He works in natural ways, because that’s something He created, and yes that is something I believe. So even when things grew by evolution of some sort, it is still the Author who started it and guided it. You can say that’s a fallacy, but I do not agree with you.
    Creation, not in a supernatural way, but an honest natural way. Psychology, human behavior is not something that is just there, it grows. We see progress of development in many aspects of life. Can still be all part of the plan. One of the reasons I leave the Bible out of this is because there are so many presumptions and connotations about them without looking at the essence of why it was written in the first place. This might lead us into a fog of war that has no end, at least, until we die that is. There is a lot of human wisdom in it as well, honest stuff that make us think about life and who God is, now we can bring up all the stuff about how bad religion is, but that’s not what the bible(the bunch of writings btw ) is about. When I read it, it helps me to understand human behavior, psychology, emotions, relations, inner peace, and so on. It does not help me much with: the history of a people, science, big bang, evolution/intelligent design or other theories of the sorts.
    I think you and I can at least conclude that the bible is not true from A to Z. it is not a science book, it is not a biology book (even though it had some good hygiene guidelines for it’s time), or a history book. And guess what I do not think it matters much.

    The only thing is… I think they are negotiable. They are a part of life that I think is interesting but just don’t cut it for me. Open mind means that you have to stay objective about everything. but, nobody is everybody is full with own conclusions presumptions, history environment and so on. Even science has still one major flaw and that is the biased perspective of the observer. just like right and wrong, your right might be my wrong and vice versa. So where does that leave us Matt? Where does that leave your truth? And is that the kick?

  37. Matt says:

    there is no evidence for no design either.

    1) Burden of Proof does not work that way.
    2) Yes, there is. Just look at the poor characteristics of the human body for plenty of examples. Extremely poor joint design, vestigial components, incredibly poor weight distribution and so on. All these things are explained perfectly by the Theory of Evolution but if someone designed the human body this way, then they are woefully bad designers and need to go back and retake first year engineering at uni.

    I think you and I can at least conclude that the bible is not true from A to Z.

    We agree on something. Amazing.

  38. martijn says:

    1) Burden of Proof does not work that way.

    Well, ain’t that a pity. talking about presumptions.

    2) Yes, there is. Just look at the poor characteristics of the human body for plenty of examples. Extremely poor joint design, vestigial components, incredibly poor weight distribution and so on. All these things are explained perfectly by the Theory of Evolution but if someone designed the human body this way, then they are woefully bad designers and need to go back and retake first year engineering at uni.

    Hahaha, you humor me 🙂 in a positive way.
    Anyway, to answer your question. I don’t think I have a problem with my body, it functions properly. Could it be better? I guess so. But hey, that’s nature’s creativity and most likely evolution (of some sort).
    We are on the move. It might get better in the next ten thousand years. I don’t think you were very good at engineering a couple of billion yrs ago. Is it important? not really as long as it functions properly and does what it should do. It still is amazing that it came to all this, how it all works. Every detail just the complexity of it all. mind blowing.

    Still Matt, you choose not to answer this one:
    “Even science has still one major flaw and that is the biased perspective of the observer. just like right and wrong, your right might be my wrong and vice versa. So where does that leave us Matt? Where does that leave your truth?”
    And this is one that does matter…. And also deserves and answer.

  39. Matt says:

    It’s what is known as a loaded question and not a terribly intellectually honest one at that. But you’re right that it does probably deserve an answer.

    Is science biased? No, at least not in the sense you’re (presumably) meaning. Are individual scientists biased at times? Yes. That’s part of being human. That’s why science incorporates extremely heavily what is known as the peer review process – so that such biases can be weeded out and eliminated as much as is possible. That cuts down on bias in results to a truly massive degree.

    For more, than for example, the entirely subjective manner in which supposedly holy texts are interpreted by whoever has a particular agenda at any given time.

  40. Martijn says:

    “It’s what is known as a loaded question and not a terribly intellectually honest one at that. ”

    Well, I guess we all have to live with that.

    “For more, than for example, the entirely subjective manner in which supposedly holy texts are interpreted by whoever has a particular agenda at any given time.”

    I agree. One of the reasons I’m very skeptical with people coming at me who say, “because it says so in the Bible”. But since it is not the bible I have faith in, but In God.
    That makes it not of the essence if everything I read is scientifically correct.

    “Is science biased? No, at least not in the sense you’re (presumably) meaning. Are individual scientists biased at times? Yes. That’s part of being human. That’s why science incorporates extremely heavily what is known as the peer review process – so that such biases can be weeded out and eliminated as much as is possible. That cuts down on bias in results to a truly massive degree.”

    Depending on the publisher, the financier, and a couple of other people who take interest in drawing conclusions.
    It seems to me that atheist just make their own religion. And that sound pretty familiar to me…

  41. Matt says:

    You didn’t read what I read.
    Scientists are constantly trying to prove each other wrong and they usually get huge amounts of kudos when they do it; that’s the basis of the peer review process.
    It has a proven track record of eliminating poor processes and bias.

  42. Martijn says:

    “You didn’t read what I read.”

    Nope, most likely not. Even though I think science can be interesting as long as I can manage to comprehend or stay focused. What they do on Discovery, or National Geographic is always of interest to me. I’m not turning off the TV when one of the stations (mostly NG) is broadcasting one of those documentaries that talk about subjects of faith/religion. I do want to understand what other people have to say about it. I would like to say that I try to have an open mind. And i think that it is possible as a Christian to do so, as long as you know what matters and what does not.

    So is there anything that you can be positive about when it comes to faith/religion?

  43. Matt says:

    Not really, no. But then I’m a strong advocate of accepting truth even when it’s painful or inconvenient – false hope is worse than no hope at all.

  44. Martijn says:

    I don’t think Corry ten Boom would agree

  45. Martijn says:

    Have you been part of a religion of some sort?

  46. Matt says:

    I was raised christian and from that am quite familiar with the christian theology/teachings/dogma/whatever.

  47. Martijn says:

    I see, well that makes the heart of the matter much more subjective than I originally thought.

  48. Martijn says:

    Everything you have said till so far makes much more sense. I do not know your personal life. I just have to guess some stuff, but the anger and fire in which you proclaim “truths” is suddenly contextualized. Most likely a sadness in the beginning, but the resentment and contempt overtook. And I even think I can partially understand. I too now know things that I wish i would have wanted to know by truth. I’ve been seeking them myself, with some help here and there.

    “Not really, no. But then I’m a strong advocate of accepting truth even when it’s painful or inconvenient – false hope is worse than no hope at all.”

    You think that faith is just a figment of your imagination. like your pink unicorns and all that stuff… If that is your idea of faith, than I wish you best of luck. There is much logic in that. I guess it is far more emotion than logic.

    I don’t see a false hope, heck! I even see more hope than humans can bring by themselves. Maybe that is a fools errand in your eyes, but I think that love from Your creator/ Jesus, overcomes even the biggest fear or evil by mankind’s deed. False? well I’m not gonna be the judge on that, but it is far more compelling than plain “that’s just the way it is” kinda stuff.
    My hope in humanity can go a long way. I do see a reality in that, but I see a promise/hope in that that goes beyond “proving” things more than “meets the eye”.
    It is reality for me. Am I out of touch with humanity? am I on an island? I like to believe I’m not, and i do see reality in the human way.

    • yunshui says:

      That’s you told, Matt – obviously you rejected Christianity through anger, resentment and contempt, since that’s the only reason one could possibly have for leaving the faith. All your logic and reason and “evidence” are shallow attempts to hide the bitter emotional void in your heart left by your wililng rejection of Jesus and all He did for you.

      By the way Matt, visited the Emerald City of Oz recently? Because from Martjin’s description, I could swear you were some sort of straw man…

    • Owen Russell says:

      “Everything you have said till so far makes much more sense. I do not know your personal life. I just have to guess some stuff, but the anger and fire in which you proclaim “truths” is suddenly contextualized. Most likely a sadness in the beginning, but the resentment and contempt overtook. And I even think I can partially understand. I too now know things that I wish i would have wanted to know by truth. I’ve been seeking them myself, with some help here and there.”

      Where exactly did you find the context of “anger and fire” within his comments? I believe he has been very cerebral, analytical and absolutely far from having his opinions influenced and blurred by emotion. You seem to react in a hostile manner to anything that does not coincide with religion. Many times he has simply asked for you to prove with actual definitive, empirical or objective fact that your position or opinion is correct. He has debated with objective purpose and seems quite open to change or further education if you would simply provide factual information instead of subjective and unproven impressions.

      Just my two cents. I am fine with you believing what ever you choose to, I just find it unfortunate that you are criticizing someone who is actively willing to engage in open debate and have you promote facts that might bring new light to what is discussed rather than simply being so open to do so yourself. You seem to have a blind allegiance to religion and are quite vexed when anyone challenges it. I often find that as a sign of insecurity. You will find that most logical individuals realize that their opinions need to be challenged, that they need to accurately support them and that if they cannot then they must realize and accept a proven truth, which in turn allows them to grow.

      Good luck though, I’ll stay out of the battle from here on in but unless you take the platform from an objective stance then I believe you will continue to lose.

      Oh and this was meant as completely light hearted comedy. A little bit of humour might loosen you up a bit 🙂

  49. James says:

    Concerning your comparisons, between
    Jesus Christ and Optimus Prime.
    Spacifically, Miracles and Acts of note
    Jesus Christ had 2012 witnesses concerning his miracles in feeding the masses.
    Jesus Christ only had 2 true believers,
    Joseph and Mary.
    He had 13 winesses concerning his ability to stop a
    Raging thunderstorm, just to show them how
    important faith in Him and GOD are, He walked on water.

  50. Casey says:

    You know, dudes, it was a humor article. Let me put all of this “objective” or “subjective” nomenclature aside. I AM pissed. Oh, don’t worry, I’ll get to some “objective” facts in a minute, but that’s the last time I’m saying that word for a few words.

    Hmm. Straw man. GREAT. INSULTS! EVERYONE! LET THEM FLY! Excuse me, Yunshui, but I’m a straw man myself. Care to insult me too? Or care to debate without a completely untactful insensitive statement tagged onto the end? Oh, and are you a psychology buff? Student? Religious school psychology teacher? Ah. Well, if you have a Ph.D. in psychology, I do apologize for overstepping my somewhat lesser education, but I suggest you review your bloody papers.

    Yes, Matt may have rejected Christianity as a religion because of bitterness and emptiness. But you jump to conclusions. You assume that he rejects it because of this. Oh great psychology Ph.D. entity, please enlighten me as to what logical fallacy this is.

    Was it the “no hope is better than false hope” statement that told you he was empty inside? Well, I think you’d agree that if the North Korean government stopped feeding propaganda and shooting dissenters, reporters and people who leave the country AT ALL, there would probably be much more awareness about the situations present in the country. “No hope is better than false hope.” Maybe no hope can leave to SOME HOPE?

    The implicit generalization that you just threw out – that all atheists are resentful of Christianity and hollow inside – is not only stupid and ill-informed, but offensive. I believe you know very, VERY little about anybody’s eternal soul, or the mechanisms of hope. Cling to your faith, cling to your religion, and debate it and defend it. Hell, maybe one day, I’ll be in your same damn church. But you, sir, need to learn to draw the bloody line.

    Matt: dude, I love this post. It’s great, it’s funny, it’s awesome, but you were asking for a fight when you made this. I’m telling you this because Martjin has found that you intruded on something. I think Martjin is really trying to assess what you have to say and argue logically, although I don’t like some of his rather opinionated jumps. I do think you should acknowledge the existence of Jesus Christ, because historically he did exist. Whether he was the Son of God, performed miracles, stuff like that, those are religious matters, but his existence isn’t.

    Martjin: what the hell, dude? Chernobyl? I mean, if you’re gonna pull ad misercordium, you gotta do it right. You just compared a comedic article to a Chernobyl cover up? Nobody went for that. Well, except for Yunshui, but since he’s so full of himself and generalizing anybody in his way, I’m just going to go out of my way and say that he’s just an empty echo anyway. I mean, at least your debate partner Matt had the decency to debate with you based on his own principles, but Yunshui just felt the need to jump on that bandwagon and follow you home.

    I respect your opinions. I think you’re founded on something. Yunshui’s just a half-cocked jackass. And that’s saying something, considering that I believe in God myself.

    Oh, by the way, reply any time, Yunshui. I think it’s ridiculous you came on somebody’s personal website and decided to insult them behind the curtain of Martjin. I’m probably just going to ignore you and still think you’re a half-cocked jackass anyway, but you can try. You never know. ; D

  51. Martijn says:

    Hi Casey,

    Welcome in the “conversation” for as far as it goes. You make indeed some good remarks. So let me get straight to that…

    you said: “Yes, Matt may have rejected Christianity as a religion because of bitterness and emptiness. But you jump to conclusions. You assume that he rejects it because of this. Oh great psychology Ph.D. entity, please enlighten me as to what logical fallacy this is.”

    Assume, the word already stated it. Based on the remarks I returned so far from Matt it was a likely possibility. Maybe rather ill based I agree.

    As to Matt’s attitude towards religion, I’m not defending religion. I was however agitated by his remark that there is no good in religion at all. I think that alone is already a great fallacy and lack of understanding the core of Christianity. You don’t even have to look hard to find enough Christians that prove there is goodness in that. I will not publish a list of all that goes on just because it is endless. But I know a lot of people who devoted their life out of love for another human being without a spark of doubt, not just because they have learned so, but because they love/live so. There is a difference in just doing what you have learned and living what you have learned. That’s a matter of the hart and how to act upon it.

    However I do agree, that religious groups and people can still be bad and can still do evil things. If I do see such a thing I would definitely address the issue because it’s wrong. Jesus gave us a message to work with and many see only some sort of to do list. In the new testament Jesus states “love God, and your neighbor”. Not just doing that, but living it. If a church cannot even hold these values up high, then try another community that acts at least upon that.

    C said: “I think Martijn is really trying to assess what you have to say and argue logically, although I don’t like some of his rather opinionated jumps. I do think you should acknowledge the existence of Jesus Christ, because historically he did exist. Whether he was the Son of God, performed miracles, stuff like that, those are religious matters, but his existence isn’t.”

    Thx, for pointing this out. I would however call it, a personal choice in faith instead of religious matters, which is a group of people agreeing and sharing their faith.
    Now about my rather opinionated jumps, well, what can I say besides…. Hi, it’s me 🙂 I do not view myself as a perfect communicator, nor do I posses all knowledge or am well trained in all aspects of life. I do however live and breathe like everyone else and so I do value a good conversation.

    So yes, Matt’s comparison might have been stated in a funny way I could not see one well educated joke. The tone of voice, next to the judgmental assessment of the person, identity and history of Jesus made me indeed react. Integrity is the word for it.

    C: “Martjin: what the hell, dude? Chernobyl? I mean, if you’re gonna pull ad misercordium, you gotta do it right. You just compared a comedic article to a Chernobyl cover up?”

    Lol, I just sometimes love to “blow it up”! Just a twitch of irony in that. I had fun :p (that’s a postmodern twitch)
    On the serious note: You pointed out that Jesus is historically proven as far as we know with the information and results that we have now. So is it with EVERY subject/event/person in history, what has happened or what has not is sometimes impossible to prove or disprove. It is hard to trace back to make a complete picture based on certain conclusions and assumptions. We just got to deal with what we have. Based on that I made my choice for Christ and what he said and did.

    Thx for sharing Casey

  52. […] of Decepticons and for the Decepticons to return the favor.   I want to see Optimus Prime be a paragon for all that is good and Megatron be a vindictive asshole with Starscream being even more so.  All […]

  53. Tim Lofton says:

    As a devoted evangelical, I feel the need to ask the HARD question everyone else has skimped on:

    DUDE, where did you get that AMAZING picture of all the Primes???

  54. Calmdown says:

    honestly this is funny as hell. and people trying to break it down and prove one side or the other is right or wrong, fact or fiction is a waste of time. I like Optimus prime, and ive never met jesus and i think that should be everyones outlook. This is a perfect example of people saying you cant worship anyone but jesus or youre going to hell for even slandering the lords name. Ok we didnt post jesus sucks and you should all worship prime but here we are debating the damn COMEDIC POST. Its for laughs giggles something for 15 year olds to laugh about at school the next day and 24 year olds who grew up watching the cartoon to look back and say yeah prime is pretty cool

    • Adrian Quinonez says:

      We should worship and praise Christ he isn’t a religion man put him there but he is the real truth Christ was against religion he called them fools. Churches have changed and a lot of them ain’t right a lot of them would even let Christ in himself. The difference between religion and Christ is this religion says do but Christ said done religion makes u blind but Jesus makes u see religion says Slave but Jesus says son. Scientist today are even starting to have proof that God is Real.

  55. Chris says:

    Comments – TLDR
    Article – ROFL

  56. Mark says:

    Jesus would have accended by now and Optimus Prime would have shot all of yall! So whichever one you’re worshping, Shut up and get a life!

  57. Owen Russell says:

    I never noticed that you guys posted the commandments of Optimus Prime. I read them today and I thought you may be interested in the facebook group I started quite some time ago, especially since as soon as I found your website I put a link up for it!

    http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=7214570457

  58. optimus prime says:

    test

  59. Anonymous says:

    Excellent enthusiastic analytical attention for the purpose of detail and can anticipate troubles prior to these people take place.

  60. Adrian Quinonez says:

    Dude prime stands no chance against Christ period ur a non believer who is trying to talk trash about God. Yes there is proof that Christ has been resurrected and people pray everyday and are healed doctors can’t even explain it. Prime has to fight to win Christ already won since the beginning Christ to to powerful to need to fight if theses two met prime would bow down at Christ feet with out a fight because of how powerful Christ is he knows all things he created all things and has. Dominion over all creation. Yes it’s true there is no life without Christ. Christ is the way the truth and the LIFE and he will come back and destroy all his enemy’s with just his word alone and will bring eternal life and peace to his children who love him. What part of what Christ said don’t u understand he said I am The Alpha and Omega the beginning and the end the first and the last that tells u in itself Christ was the beginning and he will be the one to end everything evil. Prime would be wiped out in a blink of an eye by Christ there is no other God but Christ. I bet u didn’t even know Christ himself was against religion he called them fools Christ never said he was the religion did he no he said I am the way the truth and the life and nobody comes to the father except through me. If u want proof that Christ is real then seek him with all your heart and soul and you’ll find him. Hell revelation is been played out right now christ said in the end days people will be heartless uncaring no self control there will be more Violence there will be wars and rumors of war there will be false prophets claiming to be him the earth will have labor pains like sever earthquacks tsunami’s floods unusual weather there would be Play eggs and famine and people will be lovers of them selfs rather the lovers of God and this is being played out today. Prime lol what a joke. Nothing can stand against Christ NOTHING.

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